the_historian
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 | | 05 Jun 2004 04:06 PM | | Anyone else interested in the defences associated with the two world wars? Spend your time studying airfields/pillboxes/air raid shelters, and want to share your findings with the rest of us?
I do all the above when time permits, but a word of warning here.
These places weren't designed to last 60+ years. They were built quickly (and cheaply)using materials now known to be dangerous, like asbestos. Add to that the fact that farmers have been using them to house livestock/chemicals etc, and they can be pretty dangerous places, especially underground sites.
NEVER explore them alone!
A few miles away from me, I have a site that was used for training troops for D-Day. It includes a replica seawall, German defences, trenches, a "shore" line and "assault craft". It's been well-battered by both artillery and small arms fire, and the only other similar site known to still exist is at Castlemartin in Wales. It can be seen on the NMR for Scotland at www.rcahms.gov.uk/, just add "Sheriffmuir,Perthshire", or "Atlantic Wall".
It is presumed to be a replica of a real D-Day target, like "Hillman" and "Morris" which were built by the British 3rd Division at Moffat, in the Scottish borders. Something similar was built in wood and canvas at Muthill in Perthshire, but like Sheriffmuir its real-life counterpart on the Continent has yet to be identified.
Anyone got some good sites near them?
Yours in History,
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 | | 08 May 2005 06:42 PM | | | English Heritage's guidance booklet Modern Military Matters, which is also a policy guide, is now available to download online at:
http://www.britarch.ac.uk/pubs/mmm/mmmindex.html
It's well worth a read.
Regards,Gordon
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the_historian
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 | | 25 Apr 2008 09:00 PM | | Hi Steve,
I was actually involved in surveying sites for the DoB project-there's a few of mine in the database.
You're right about it being a great source, although incomplete through necessity. Perhaps we can let this site fill a few gaps eventually-I've got some data I'm in the middle of tidying up to post to you.
Good to be back-my pc crashed a fortnight ago due to a virus, and this is me just got it back. Talk about cold turkey!
Yours in History,
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SteveW
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 | | 25 Apr 2008 09:00 PM | | | Hehe - Computers are the bane of my life as well sometimes.
Good to have you back, thought we'd lost you for a while.
Look forward to the data....
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the_historian
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 | | 25 Apr 2008 09:00 PM | | Don't get rid of me THAT easy!
Just spent the afternoon looking for an AA battery in me favourite Fife coastal village, without success. No change there then-same story for the last fifteen years.
Found concrete, bricks and a funny-looking iron stand. Going to send drawings of it to an acquaintance and see if it's even remotely military. Might just get lucky this time.
Yours in History,
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 | | 25 Apr 2008 09:00 PM | | Just spent a fruitful afternoon looking for the AA gunsite again.
Still haven't located it, but I did locate the remains of a Barrage Balloon mooring site from the same period.
This is mentioned on the NMR for Scotland as having been located from an contemporary RAF air photo, but I found that the site had been cleared from the original field, and the concrete blocks now lie in a wood 100 or so yards behind the field. At least they still survive.......
Didn't find the (possible) pillbox mentioned in the same record, but that's for another day. All these sites lie near the west entrance to HM Naval Base Rosyth, so there's probably a lot more to find. I'm salivating at the very thought!
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the_historian
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 | | 25 Apr 2008 09:00 PM | | These are shots of parts of the Sheriffmuir site I mentioned-
These first three are of a replica German blockhouse, which has been well and truly shot up....
 
And this is a mock-up of a typical Atlantic Sea Wall as found in Normandy. Note the anti-tank ditch in front.
These shots give you some idea of the damage done to the wall too...

Regards,Gordon
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 | | 25 Apr 2008 09:00 PM | | | This is good!
http://217.204.41.132/cgi/NGoto/2/102117262?2760
Regards,Gordon
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