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 | | 25 Apr 2008 09:00 PM | | Hi. I thought this would be interesting expedition to track and see what develops.
Here is the update on the Atlantis expedition. 
Scientists still have no explanation for the strange anomalies on the newly created maps and models of the purported Acropolis Hill area. "There must be something wrong with the data" has been the only basis for skepticism so far. Others, including a world renowned geophysicist and heretofore skeptic, have extensively studied the models and the data they were created from and have uniformly concluded that "it appears to be man-made."
Due to extensive problems with security issues in Russia and the Ukraine, the research vessel from the Black Sea has been rejected in light of a far more reliable and experienced team from the US. The vessel, sonar and ROV has been secured and the team is ready. The expedition will commence no later than October.
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| | 12 Feb 2004 09:56 AM | | | Hi Steve
Ive been busy. Well from what I know the expedition was very successfull they found what they were looking for. The real area of interest are the 2 walls ON TOP of the summit as well as the ones below Sarmast Acropolis Hill. The wall of the temple is there. They look man made. It will interesting to see the latest pictures as they will define the area with very high resolution pics.
In my opinion these walls were hewn out of stone thats why they are still there. If you listen to the news conference Sarmast provides many clues all the way through even mentions a great source that combined with all the knowledge available lead him to the location.
http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/RobertSarmastPress1.wma
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Also, I thought it was interesting that another 2 scientist who did core samples of the coast of Cyprus (I presume on the rectangular plain). Confirmed they found concerntrations of fresh water in the core samples. Which in there opinion only confirms Sarmast theory despite differing views from other scientist who have done no research into this particular project. Many scientist seem to judge without looking at all the evidence.
Here is a Q&A from robert http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/questions.htm
I know in the next expedition they will be doing whole 9 yards.
It just amazes me that there is no interest from the religious community. They must be ASLEEP, truly. This would have to be biggest discovery in Christendom as well as for histroical institutions and yet there is no response. Nothing, blank and yet this discovery is for the planet. Amazing
Unbelievable. Particulary when all the scriptures, as far as Im concerned, are lighting up pointing to the location Sarmast discovered or was lead to. Now that we know the location scriptures are pointing to it, oit opens up a whole new level research with knowledge which is correct and from The Gods which for the future of the planet in the way of spiritual stabisation. Not crap to ones skin or ego.
All I can say that the website, right from the beginning has had a high rate of success and predictability, 100% and yet no response from the people who should know whats going on.
You cant be a total scientist to find this location you have to have knowledge in religion and mythology as well.
Anyway all the best III keep you informed as best as I can
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| | 12 Feb 2004 10:00 AM | | | hey sorry for the bad grammer, forgot to correct before posting.
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| | 12 May 2004 08:22 PM | | | "Particulary when all the scriptures, as far as Im concerned, are lighting up pointing to the location Sarmast discovered or was lead to. Now that we know the location scriptures are pointing to it" - What scriptures are you refering to here?
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| | 12 Sep 2004 10:25 PM | | | Hi Steve please find in the following some selected texts I found in 1Enoch which I feel relates to the location as it describes it in a way that I can see a resemblance to the location.
Here some references
Book of Enoch about the Garden
Chapter 24
1 And from thence I went to another place of the earth, and he showed me a mountain range of 2 fire which burnt day and night. And I went beyond it and saw seven magnificent mountains all differing each from the other, and the stones (thereof) were magnificent and beautiful, magnificent as a whole, of glorious appearance and fair exterior: three towards the east, one founded on the other, and three towards the south, one upon the other, and deep rough ravines, no one of which 3 joined with any other. And the seventh mountain was in the midst of these, and it excelled them 4 in height, resembling the seat of a throne: and fragrant trees encircled the throne. And amongst them was a tree such as I had never yet smelt, neither was any amongst them nor were others like it: it had a fragrance beyond all fragrance, and its leaves and blooms and wood wither not for ever: 5 and its fruit is beautiful, and its fruit n resembles the dates of a palm. Then I said: 'How beautiful is this tree, and fragrant, and its leaves are fair, and its blooms very delightful in appearance.' 6 Then answered Michael, one of the holy and honoured angels who was with me, and was their leader.
have a look at the mountains that surround the Acropolis Hill
http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/NewAtlantisLocationPictures/images/1_plan1.jpg
In the next piece it talks about the seven mountain surrounding the acropolis hill, the throne.
Prophecy
Chapter 65
l And after those days in that place where I had seen all the visions of that which is hidden -for 2 I had been carried off in a whirlwind and they had borne me towards the west-There mine eyes saw all the secret things of heaven that shall be, a mountain of iron, and a mountain of copper, and a mountain of silver, and a mountain of gold, and a mountain of soft metal, and a mountain of lead. 3 And I asked the angel who went with me, saying, 'What things are these which I have seen in 4 secret?' And he said unto me: 'All these things which thou hast seen shall serve the dominion of His Anointed that he may be potent and mighty on the earth.' 5 And that angel of peace answered, saying unto me: 'Wait a little, and there shall be revealed unto thee all the secret things, which surround the Lord of Spirits. 6 And these mountains which thine eyes have seen, The mountain of iron, and the mountain of copper, and the mountain of silver, And the mountain of gold, and the mountain of soft metal, and the mountain of lead, All these shall be in the presence of the Elect One As wax: before the fire, And like the water which streams down from above , And they shall become powerless before his feet. 7 And it shall come to pass in those days that none shall be saved, Either by gold or by silver, And none be able to escape. 8 And there shall be no iron for war, Nor shall one clothe oneself with a breastplate. Bronze shall be of no service, And tin shall not be esteemed, And lead shall not be desired. 9 And all these things shall be destroyed from the surface of the earth, When the Elect One shall appear before the face of the Lord of Spirits.'
This is about the second coming notice that it is connected with the Garden
In the following he is talking about the destruction of 1st Eden, Very similiar to Platos account. The there is snmall prophecy at the end and glimpse of the future.
The Book of Noah – I think he is describing the apocalypse of 1st Eden
Chapter 52
1 And in those days the word of God came unto me, and He said unto me: ' Noah, thy lot has come 2 Up before Me, a lot without blame, a lot of love and uprigh | | | |
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| | 12 Oct 2004 10:41 PM | | | No worries Steve
What I presented was only my ideas it really needs investigation by all to see if there is truth or just me going of on a tangent.
I feel alot of independent sources in addition to Plato, are pointing to this location.
Also I feel that it all began in Cyprus or middle east and permeated through out the world as this location goes back 34,000 years. However that has to be proven by core samples. I know there are other core samples that were taken on the plain that showed existence of freshwater within the sample itself which is getting closer to proving the theory/truth that the plain was up and exposed for human inhabitation.
I believe our history goes back so far back that the inca race is basically recent compared to our real history. Also everyone forgets that truth is also a collaboration of spiritual forces/personalities with human beings. Everyone tends to forget about that very easily as its a faith thing. But there are many markers that are left for us to follow the clues. I feel these clues are coming to light as it is embedded in so many independent sources but yet pointing to the same place, a conjuction. I dont think you will find that coberration with the Inca ruins. It all started in the middle east and went forth from there. The sign or symbol which left is the 3 concentric circles that can be identified in ancient rock art that is in existence throughout the world. This is another marker that was left. From Korea to the Americas to Lake Van where the builders of Eden/Atlantis came from.
Anyway, its only ideas in reflection to my own research. I could be wrong but its interesting.
All the best Steve bro
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| | 09 Feb 2005 07:04 AM | | |
Hi everyone
Here is a synopsis written by Robert Sarmast leader of the Atlantis/Cyprus expedition.
http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/discoveryofatlantis_evidence_public.doc | | | |
| dj606
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| | 09 Mar 2005 11:02 AM | | | Hi everyone
Here is a synposis written by Robert Sarmast on the Atlantis/Cyprus project
http://discoveryofatlantis.com/synopsis/index.htm
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| | 08 Apr 2005 09:37 AM | | | Actually it wasnt a landbridge that connected England to the European mainland. England seperated.
sorry for mistake
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| | 07 May 2005 09:54 AM | | | Hi Steve. Thanks for book suggestion. I will check them out one day soon. Ultimately everyone will have to make up there own about the place. I know what I know about it. I find my research all connects. SOLID.
But all will have make up there about the place.
All I know scientist are in sate of undeniable shock and awe over the results of the first expedition, makes the pryamids look like morden art compared to this stone hill with stone walls, not bricks and motar, built to last.
I know there a big message for mankind behind this but unfortunately mans to blind to see it and locked to much in his secular ideas which are completely limited and held bty the secularised world we live. Thats why scientists are not in charge of this project. I mean Ive left heaps of clues which is the pathway. But people arent switching on to it particlary acedamia when they have head in sand. There is definately a big picture that is definately on the horizon.
Steve you have been great in responding I really appreciate. I had have no response or input from anyone else to persue this. It will have to await until the live worldwide broadcast of the ROV going down to have a glimpse of the Acropolis Hill.
All the best in everything and full support in your work on the Internet. Maybe well talk after all is done and check out the results
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| | 07 May 2005 04:00 PM | | | DJ,
You should visit this site and read about the Doggerland project, led by Dr Briony Coles.www.exeter.ac.uk/sogaer/archaeology/rdogger.html
Using bathymetry data of the North Sea, Dr Coles and others proved that there was no land bridge to Britain as such; the whole of what is now the North Sea was a north European plain extending from Sweden to Britanny, and only became completely submerged around 5000 years ago.
Regards,Gordon
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| | 03 Dec 2006 11:09 AM | | | In the members section of http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com there is an analysis on the structures on and below the Acropolis Hill. The analysis reveals a second location close by the Acropolis Hill which seems to resemble 2 giant walls at right angles to each other that appear to be fashioned with many anomalies. The length of the walls are 3km and 2.5km respectively. Its like a square with one half missing, resembling a triangle without the base. One wall (mountain) appears to broken in half. There are also canals, river beds and how they were used for irrigation and water diversion.
Its quite remarkable and quite logical that a place like this would exist close to the city. Atlantis city.
III keep you informed, all the best everyone.
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| | 03 Feb 2007 08:37 PM | | | Have I wandered onto some sort of UFO/religious forum by mistake?
Doug's Skeptical Archaeology Site http://www.ramtops.co.uk
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| | 03 Feb 2007 08:56 PM | | | Nope it's neither. DJ can post what he likes as long as it's not libellous or slanderous and is within the law. Personally I like reading about people's interests.
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| | 08 Dec 2007 11:39 PM | | Here is a study in the symbolism found in the so called Jesus family tomb with some speculations. However I believe the Ub account but I was interested particularly in the circle in a triangle symbol.
Note the triangle and circle, the symbol that goes back right back to the first places and connects to the symbol on the Pyramid shaft plug.
It may seem a little way out for some but Im using my creative imagination to see if I can unlock further truth in this journey. Again its an attempt to harmonize science with religion in the focalisation of the symbolism and the and ancient places.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2913917811608134658&q=tomb+of+jesus&total=591&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
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One box had an inscription Joshua Ben Joseph the exact name of Jesus in the Urantia Book.
more to add to the mystery, however I believe the UB account that his bones where dissolved using a time/space technique.
However I felt the symbolism was fascinating and points to the Bible and its secret relating to the pyramid which connects to the first submerged places.
Much on the movie I do discount and is speculation. I believe the UB account more accurate. But thats my view.
A UB search on Mary Magdalene
http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/webglimpse/usr/local/www/data/papers?query=Mary+Magdalene&submit=Submit
Digging into the circle within a triangle symbol
I feel that they researchers are relating the symbol with the followers of Jesus.
How intriguing is this. Note we have followed the circle in a triangle symbol before I saw seeing this particular information.
Here is the video where they link the circle in a triangle link with the followers of Jesus.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2913917811608134658&q=tomb+of+jesus&total=591&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
Here is the circles in a triangle symbol the very same found on the plug of the shft in the great pyramid.
The temples in Dilmun where triangles with a hole in the middle of the roof of the temple.
But the symbolism goes back even further to Dalamatia which was built on the design of Jerusem, the Jerusem Triangles that are 100 of them divided in 10 triangles in each subdivision.
Dalamatia City was built this design, a smaller version of the Jerusem circles
and the original
The rediscovery of the tomb
The Circle in the Triangle Chevron.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2913917811608134658&q=tomb+of+jesus&total=591&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
I believe this all connects right up to Jesus to Jerusem triangles and circles.
Interesting inscriptions found on the wall.
Interesting shapes
The researchers saw the 3 mmm's but in actual fact they were probably a depiction of the Dalamatia city triangles in metaphor to the Jerusem triangles as spoken about by Jesus perhaps in a intimate way with his followers.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2913917811608134658&q=tomb+of+jesus&total=591&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
the triangles of Dalamatia City
http://www.sevenfoldbooks.com/persian/persian_gulf44.jpg
Dalamatia city triangles.
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| | 25 Apr 2008 09:00 PM | | | Thanks Steve, I appreciate it. It was late last night.
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| | 25 Apr 2008 09:00 PM | | Hi Here is the latest on what is an interesting project.
The hour has come. The expedition vessel, sonar and ROV have been secured and the contracts are being finalized. The date is set for mid October, and the Atlantis team will be mobilized during the second week of the month. The round-the-clock operation will last four to six days at sea and will utilize some of the best specialists and equipment available in the world.
All the best everyone. Lets see what happens.
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| | 25 Apr 2008 09:00 PM | | | Im not sure of the actual date but I know it will be within the month and everything seems to be going OK so far.
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| | 25 Apr 2008 09:00 PM | | | Any news of an update dj?
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| | 25 Apr 2008 09:01 PM | | Hi Steve here is a study I did on The Egyptian Book of Dead (extract). Which is describes it all beautifully in the book of the dead. A memory of all those in The Egyptian capital who went down in the Mediterranean Deluge. The Book of Dead is all about the the location of the coast of Cyprus. That the Egyptian capital time memorial. All these structures you see in Egypt is apart of the same legend as they are trying to perpetuate the past in there reality through these buildings. That all it is .
Note the descrition of Maati below. Also note the lake in the island itself. Looks like the eye of horus to me and the land mass looks like a head to me and the neck was the peninsula. It all matches replicates a whole information in the Bible last Friday that was revealed to me.
What is this?
"It is the cutting of the navel string of the body of the Osiris the scribe Ani, whose word is true before all the gods, and all his faults are driven out.
What is this ?
"It is the purification on the day of his birth. "I am purified in my great double nest which is in Hensu on the day of the offerings of the followers of the Great God who dwelleth therein."
What is the "great double nest"?
"The name of one nest is 'Millions of years,' and 'Great Green ' is the name of the other, that is to say 'Lake of Natron' and 'Lake of Salt.' "Others, however, say the name of the one is 'Guide of Millions of Years,' and that 'Great Green Lake' is name of the other. Yet others say that 'Begetter of Millions of Years' is the name of one, and 'Great Green Lake' is the name of the other. Now, as concerning the Great God who dwelleth therein, it is Ra himself. "I pass over the way, I know the head of the Island of Maati." (here we find different descriptions of the Green sea to the north of Egypt. We find that the island of Maati looks like a head. This infers that the head looking island must be connected to the mainland by a peninsula, looking like a head island that faces towards the west into the sea we know this because the Northern gate faces east where the Gods leave out of the garden as we will find in the following.)
What is this?
"It is Ra-stau, that is to say, it is the gate to the South of Nerutef, and it is the Northern Gate of the Domain (The gate of North protecting the the garden island at the peninsula Tomb of the god). "Now, as concerning the Island of Maati, (Island of Eden to the North of Egypt.) it is Abtu. "Others, however, say that it is the way by which Father Tem travelleth when he goeth forth to Sekhet-Aaru, which produceth the food and sustenance of the gods who are in their shrines. (Sounds like the tree of life in the temple, sustenance of the Gods another memory of Eden.) "Now the Gate Tchesert is the Gate of the Pillars of Shu, that is to say, the Northern Gate of the Tuat. (The Northern gate actually has a name.) "Others, however, say that the Gate of Tchesert is the two leaves of the door through which the god Tem passeth when he goeth forth to the eastern horizon of the sky. (two leaves, two gates, the inner gate and the outer gate) (The Gods leave towards the east through the northern gate) (Another description of the gate to the North of Eden again looking to the east, the head looking island must of been to the west of the gate) "O ye gods who are in the presence , grant to me your arms, for I am the god who shall come into being among you." (sounds like Adam or Jesus he did live in Egypt.) http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/EarlyDataImages/cyprus.html http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com | | | |
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| | 25 Apr 2008 09:01 PM | | | Thanks for the update dj.
Particularly interesting to note that the sea of Atil is mentioned.
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| | 25 Apr 2008 09:01 PM | | | Hi Steve. The only evidence I have is the find of Cyprus. It from there I work backwards through all the information available on the subject. Its leading to me to great discoveries and mysteries about th place. Unfortunately all this has to be proven without a doubt. But I know its really working out on other levels, like I finding descriptions of the desication in the bible believe it or not with proves from knowledge base that we are close. All I know from my research at around 32,000BC. I reckon the rock split creating the deluge. The split was due in part from a great disturbance from the North Sea that also led to the submergance of the landbridge between England and France and further land submergence in the north Sea near the mainland. Which there is a record of that in the Orea Linda book. Funny they mention Adland in this myth. From what I understand Swedwen is fairly recent. I think. But I dont know this, its a lead that Im following from a reliable source thus far.
Core samples would have to be done in the area where the landbridge sank and in the England area and near the coast and a timeline has to be established to see whether land up and down at around that time. If you could prove that in conjunction with the Mediteranean deluge you could unlock the greatest mystery. Even though its already been unlocked. The whole thing is going crack wide open on all levels of knowledge one day.
Anyway without getting to carried away. Another good study is Lake Lisan Next to where the Atlantis area is. Interesting to note that there is record that goes back 40,000 years of the lakes water rise and fall. There would be a record of the desication. When go into myth research a river did go out of Eden to the East and from another source it turned right towards lake Lisan. Thats in Ezekiel, can you believe it. I just discovered that about 3 months ago and then I found Lake Lisan. I noticed in the graphs there was a great fall in the level of the lake at about the 36,000 - 30,000 mark. I dont know how accurate it was but I was astonished. If there was a desication there would of been great uplift and a reduction in water supply and in time weather climate due to changing winds. Which explains the Sahara becoming a desert from a savannah.
If you could prove all this and do core samples at around the Scilian bridge area that proves the hypothesis it could be good.
Anyway thats a few leads that Im following. I can point to a few areas but I have no access to any scientific knowledege except on the net and my personal research. But I do know there is a unifying effect which goes much further than just science and wraps the whole thing together, harmonised you would have biggest documentry on the planet. There would be nothing like it.
Also after the flood there was great uplift in the Estern Mediterranean. There is a recent book from Dr K Hall who basically agrees with the Hypothesis of the Mediteranean desication.
All the best
Steve
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| | 25 Apr 2008 09:01 PM | | | I don't know if you're aware of Graham Hancocks theories on rising water levels. I recommend Underworld: Flooded Kingdoms of the Ice Age. I think he's often mis-represented and mis-interpreted, but if you take a look at some of the actual discoveries that have been made, then you tend to question orthodox chronology. He has used a computer program that can analyse sea levels in particular time-scales. I think it was produced by an English researcher - if you are interested I can probably find a reference somewhere. It may help you analyse some data for your theories.
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| | 25 Apr 2008 09:01 PM | | | Hi everyone
Looks they discovered a second huge target area to the North of the Acropolis Hill. New research is available in the members section of http://wwww.discoveryofatlantis.com clearly shows ifermer scans of the location. Captn Bates who was on the expedition has written a paper with his views backed up by images of the areas of interest. This also includes target areas on top of the Acropolis Hill and at the bottom. The shape of the canals is circular but much was destroyed by the Tsunami. You can also see the decimation of the sountern wall and the debris left behind and can determine the angle of the oncoming path of shear terror and destruction of the city.
When the Sicilian landbridge submerged during the Atlantis inrush through the straits in the first sea. The Tsunami that was generated must of been a wave of huge proportions that would of decimated everything in its path not to mention the cyclone preceeding it.
There is much research going on into what a appears to remnants of circular canals on top of the hill. It might of looked like 3 wheat silos next to each other jutting from top to bottom with these circular canals slowly descending from one into another from on top fed by the springs on top of the hill. It makes you undertand Plato much better and certainly gives you an idea of what was up there.
Many target areas to explore and seek out. Very true and real and a project worth keeping in touch with. This might create a postive shift in our expanding sciences as we discover more about ourselves and universe around us. Certainly a real truth journey of great magnitude.
All the best
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| | 25 Apr 2008 09:01 PM | | | Hi everyone.
Looks like everything is travelling real well. It may come to pass soon, that they might be out there checking out the 2 startling locations and all the anomalies. All systems are go and mankind is rearing to go to discovery his destiny. All texts that point to place are all forming there own conjunction and any prophecies contained about this place seem to be coming to pass however it does have to go through the test of time.
Its a strange thing but from my personal research in all the scripts of the past (BC books) Every script reveals information unique to the location be it physicaly, spiritualy and metaphoricaly. When you combine all the scripts and its speciality, it forms a huge oneness that literaly changes our knowledge for ever. Sorry to say for some but thats what Im seeing.
I would say from where I sit, seeing what I see through the books. This would have to be the most postive thing mankind has ever seen. This discovery and what it represents will definately prolong mans life on this planet as prophecied. This probably comes at the right time when you consider that man is in extinction mode through climate change and erroneous motivation. The only way a change may happen is in mans attitude to his fellow brothers and the planet. The attitude may change but only when man is impressed or enlightened by something?? This location I feel is the catalyst which creates a pathway for understandable enlightnement which expands our fields of all the sciences and religions alike, in a more unified way that can be easily understood, that makes sense for a normal person and is logical to follow. These features are clearly demostrated in this discovery and the oneness of the knowledge that supports it.
Whether people like it or not the search for greater truth has to happen because our future generations would demand that of us. This work is for the future destiny of mankind and the survival of our species not to mention life in the lower kingdoms wich are destined to a miserable life and not for long, currently.
The Cyprus/Atlantis discovery is the only real light shining on the planet which is representative of universal government and governance. Hey dont laugh or mock, since this planet is currently in the twilight zone of change It could be a good time for self appraisal of one self and one motive. Cant be to sure of anything thats going on these days but one I do know that this discovery is real and all the information that surrounds this place is complete and unified and creates a pathway for the future.
No doubt this journey will be known in a thousand years, thats if we are still around. This all has to go through the test of time. One thing, the knowledge that sourrounds this place will clear all that false doctrine that harms people today, thats if man can really go beyond the square and take that leap in faith in to a brave new world of love for one another?? Are we capable of creation rather than destruction because of some small minded selfish little "me" or "I" attitude? The truth comes from within.
All the best everyone
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| | 25 Apr 2008 09:01 PM | | | Hi again
Look I dont want to get religious but since this location strikes the heart of all world relgions. I thought I would reveal a serious clue about the end of the age as revealed in the Gospel of Thomas which to me speaks all about the Cyprus Location being the beginning of our civilisation.
The Gospel of Thomas 18 declares "Tell us how our end will be." Jesus said,"Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death,"
And thats exactly the configuration of the location being the beginning which will represent the end. And I don't mean death and destruction but the change and expansion of all our knowledge, scientific and religious, a convergance. However I dont discount a physical change inconjunction to a paradigm shift.
Anyway food for thought and something a bit different.
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