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25 Apr 2008 09:00 PM
Sam Osmanagich an amateur explorer of lost civilizations Atlantis and Mu, UFOs and extraterrestrials, joined forces with highest-ranked Bosnian officials to commit a fraud aimed at turning Bosnia's hills into - ancient pyramids! He already vandalized a precious Neolithic necropolis - help stop him NOW! Please do as many of the following as you can: (1)Call your nation's cultural attaché to Bosnia-Herzegovina now and protest! (2)Have your institution issue a protest press release! (3)Sign the petition on http://peticija.white.prohosting.com/! (4)Pass this message on to as many (archeological community) forums as possible! Thank you for your active participation!
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02 Jan 2006 08:42 PM
Humm, highly dubious. Odd that a hill should have 3 straight sides (and although the map was unclear one seemed less straight than the others), but it clearly does not have the four sides originally claimed. This paragraph particularly confused me:
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The satellite imaging shows that these particular hills cool off more quickly than others in the area. This is indicative of colossal structures beneath the surface of the hills, created from dense materials which absorb less heat. The loss of heat also suggests that the hills contain hollow areas.
Not only does it seemingly contradict itself but to infer that all the hill tops on the map are 'pyramids' because they have a similar thermal signature is ludicrous. Pinicles of high land, especially ones shaped like trianlges with high mass to surface area ratios, will always give these readings. The site certainly does bear out further investigation, but not agenda based exploitation. I have signed the petition Jonathon Smith http://www.geocities.com/archchaos1/index.htm
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07 Feb 2006 05:56 AM
I've read and re>read Zawi Hawass' response to Mr. Mark Rose. As eminent in the field as he is,Hawass cannot sway the excavation,nor forstall the inevitable.I note this is his mere opinion...not the result of any verifiable data.I'd give some proper consideration to his PDF if he had a minimal offering of counter evidence. Unfortunateley the SCA letterhead adds zero wieght to his non ability to invalidate this theory by mere biased opinion. I'll reserve my ire and restrain myself from asking: Hit Piece??? I see words,not approaching re>buttle. More akin to a ship and a scuttle. Zawi...tsk. For shame Sir.Please back your claim with tangible evidence. You,Mr.Hawass ,are not an expert in this. Many months ahead,and Schoch may add valuable analysis. This is quite the refreshing subject. I never claimed that I could walk on water...
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05 Apr 2006 01:48 AM
I'd rather see what the man has to say. any overlying artificial constructs "Should" be carefully noted and catalogued,concurrent with the objective theory.basically multi-era,timeline.Yet if this is viewed as a possible Pyramid,and unique in that respect,the natural inclination to hamper the investigation should be tempered with patience. I fail to see a rogue archaeo-disrespective-demon, site destroyer,evidence enemy. But do witness a man testing a theory like Chacha333.Amatuer,yes. Void of content or context? At present...no. I'll lend the man an ear. I never claimed that I could walk on water...
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06 May 2006 04:08 PM
Here's the latest on the UNESCO visit- //217.204.41.132/cgi/NGoto/2/145525268?2760 Regards,Gordon http://freewebs.com/thehistoryvault/ www.photobucket.com/albums/y20/Historian
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07 May 2006 07:37 AM
2 Jul 2006 ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; Pyramid ridge revealed The Foundation currently responsible for exploring the Bosnian Valley of Pyramids at Vosici?, which is believed to be home to a number of ancient pyramids, says it has further proof that the largest site, named the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun, is a true pyramid. The Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun Foundation has found what it believes to be the line that joins the North and East sides of the pyramid - see images, below. So far the Foundation has uncovered about 6 m of the ridge that it says forms the 'join' between the two faces of the pyramid. ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' The northeast corner. Unvieled? We'll see... I never claimed that I could walk on water...
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06 Jul 2006 06:27 PM
This is good news. A UNESCO team should help quell Petitioner's seemingly rash rally to suppress valid inquiry? I am unaware of any reason to not investigate the sites. Apperantly,new people are arriving to analyse the structures.
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Prof.Dr.Ric.Geol. Dario Andretta Chairman of Humanitarian Universitas for the Multidisciplinary International Culture, Rome, Italy. Recently he is awarded with ‘The accademia dei lincei’. It’s reward for his studies in geology utilizing the historical and archaeological informantions. He will be in charge of Geological program on the site. ‘ my impressions that we have something big that we need to investigate more, this is something big from the archaeological and geological view , I feel that is something huge here ‘
Good for Samir.The independant experts he requests appear to be forthcoming. I never claimed that I could walk on water...
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06 Jul 2006 08:14 PM
This is the subject of a massive thread on another forum //archaeologica.boardbot.com/viewtopic.php?t=193 Osmanagich has also just published a list of more international experts he's expecting soon. Regards,Gordon http://freewebs.com/thehistoryvault/ www.photobucket.com/albums/y20/Historian
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06 Sep 2006 07:34 AM
go to www.archaeologica.org they have been discussing this 'pyramid' for over 50 pages. pictures are avaliable to view also.
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06 Sep 2006 09:14 PM
Cheers Regards,Gordon http://freewebs.com/thehistoryvault/ www.photobucket.com/albums/y20/Historian
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25 Apr 2008 09:01 PM
Hey I'd love to sign the petition, but none of the information this Sam Osmanagic gives out seems to be in English, and I would feel bad about standing in his way without even hearing his side of the argument. Know of any sites with translations? Jonathon Smith http://www.geocities.com/archchaos1/index.htm
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25 Apr 2008 09:01 PM
Hey Fugue, theres a little union jack on the upper right of the webste page, click for english version. Cheers, Paul.
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25 Apr 2008 09:01 PM
This is his "pyramids" (five so far - none seen!) amusement park in English: http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/. There are some links we put on the petition page: http://www.ipetitions.com/campaigns...sInBosnia. For instance, his business Web site is http://metcompany.net/ which shows that he is an amateur "explorer". His page on Atlantis, Mu, free masons, conspiracies, etc. can be found on http://www.alternativnahistorija.com/. Some obvious pages there (no need to translate-most words have Latin root so it's easy to grasp the meaning) are: - http://www.alternativnahistorija.co...H5main.htm (Cosmic mission of Mayas) - http://www.alternativnahistorija.co...H1main.htm (From Free Masons to Mental Projections) - http://www.alternativnahistorija.co...H4main.htm (On the Footpaths of the Atlantis) Or you can use an online translator, such as http://www.eudict.com/. Hope this helps. Thanks for your interest!
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25 Apr 2008 09:01 PM
Egyptian backs Bosnian pyramid claim Amid debate, visiting expert says structure appears to be human-made http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12837694/ As in my previous post,I dont think Mr.Osmanagic is disrespectful of expert fieldwork. This is severally illustrated in the numerous articles and interviews. He openly invites professional,credentialed archaeologist and other sceptics to come and analyse the possible Pyramid site. We'll await further evidence and could end up with a radically altered worldview. A solid month or more of test digging should give a clearer indication of natural/vs/Manmade landform. Very exciting to note that the cement used between blocks is analogous to egyptian pyramid mortar.We may find that Pyramid/Moundbuilding is a rather,natural inclination of mankind. Preliminary results appear to be leaning towards the theorist's favour.The originator of this thread may actually be doing a disservice by trying to rally opposition to a valid investigation.We'll soon See.Interesting times we may live in. . I never claimed that I could walk on water...
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25 Apr 2008 09:01 PM
I'm still not convinced. I haven't seen anything that even remotely looks like evidence of a pyramid. What I HAVE seen are endless repetitions of the same photos from different angles, and an awful lot of people taking scepticism as an affront to their national pride. I also find it strange that the only news always comes via MSN or the excavation's own website, not the BBC, CNN, Sky or anyone else. There's an awful lot of wishful thinking being pandered to here. Regards,Gordon http://freewebs.com/thehistoryvault/ www.photobucket.com/albums/y20/Historian
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25 Apr 2008 09:01 PM
This got a mention on the news on radio 4 last night. They sounded fairly unconvinced though, apparantley the geologist had said that some of the stones on the hill side were dressed or altered. Far from conclusive. Time will tell... The bosnian public are having a great time with it though apparantley.
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http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/index.../News.html 23 May 2006 Ancient writings inside of the tunnels ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' Photo Credit Archaeological Park: Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun.
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"While working in the tunnel, we recently discovered huge sandstone monoliths with some symbols engraved on one of them," said Mr Semir Osmanagic. Symbols, something like arrows and some also looking like today's letter "E" Osmanagic said, were probably letters of an ancient writing system. The sample pictures of the symbols discovered in the tunnels under the local Visocica Hill were sent for further analyses to Egypt. An expert for ancient letters and languages, he said, should join a team of Egyptian experts, expected to arrive soon in Bosnia (Middle of June) and examine findings."
I'm still willing to give the theory a chance. Clay. I never claimed that I could walk on water...
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25 Apr 2008 09:01 PM
I've seen pictures of this so-called script, and it looks like natural erosion wear on one surface of these stones. Same with the natural vertical sandstone formations that they're trying to pass off as " the pyramid of the Moon"; next time I'm hillwalking, I'll try and get snaps of all the examples I can find. I must be surrounded by pyramids here! Regards,Gordon http://freewebs.com/thehistoryvault/ www.photobucket.com/albums/y20/Historian
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25 Apr 2008 09:01 PM
From http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/index...News.html:
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Anthropological genetics has proved that Bosnia is "the second oldest oasis of life in Europe," and the pyramid proves Bosnia is a source of civilization on the Continent
I guess this is one of the reasons I don't like how this investigation is being conducted. I don't know what they've got, but everything I read suggests to me that they are making the evidence fit thier own ideas. I hope there is a pyramid, but the errors I've seen and the hyper sensational spin make me doubt what they are saying is the whole truth. It is incredibly easy to pervert an archaeological site. Jonathon Smith http://www.geocities.com/archchaos1/index.htm
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25 Apr 2008 09:01 PM
Absolutely right, Jonathon. All I see them doing is posting the same context-lacking pictures and hailing them as "evidence". Notice that there's a distinct lack of foreign experts heading there in droves? Regards,Gordon http://freewebs.com/thehistoryvault/ www.photobucket.com/albums/y20/Historian
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25 Apr 2008 09:01 PM
i still don't know what good unesco will do? they don't have any real authority so what is the purpose of this trip? on the other website the topic gets heated at times and the pictures are recycled but it is informative. the sides are drawn definitively with most of the 'experts' against osmanagich. i have stated several times that the construction style and materials (if man-made) would make this the worst pyramid ever constructed if proven true and that is highly unlikely. with all the tourists tramping around i can see where valuable archaeological evidence is lost.
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I think the UNESCO visit will give some credit to the man if there is some case for the pyramid to be answered, and the reverse will also be true. They might not have authority to do anything, but their opinion as an independent and (largely) impartial body is welcome. Jonathon Smith http://www.geocities.com/archchaos1/index.htm
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I agree; I think the UNESCO visit will either kill or cure the entire project. Right now, it seems to be dissolving into a matter of national pride more than anything else. Regards,Gordon http://freewebs.com/thehistoryvault/ www.photobucket.com/albums/y20/Historian
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okay makes sense but if you read what is going on at theother website it is a good chance that their trip really will be wasted. i think they will be and are being put in a terrible position given the nature of this site and what is involved with it. i think that a lot of lost and valuable archaeological evidence is lost and will be lost because one man wanted his 15 miniutes of fame trying to change history
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25 Apr 2008 09:01 PM
Here's an interesting update //hnn.us/blogs/entries/25850.html Regards,Gordon http://freewebs.com/thehistoryvault/ www.photobucket.com/albums/y20/Historian
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25 Apr 2008 09:01 PM
I found that fascinating. I know I probably shouldn't take information posted there as cast in stone, but it does tally with everything I was worried about. Jonathon Smith http://www.geocities.com/archchaos1/index.htm
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Latest discovery proves pyramid theory A press conference held earlier today (Sunday) at the Bosnian Pyramid of the Moon puts “beyond doubt” the existence of a pyramid at the site, says the Archeological Park: Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun (APBPS). The Pljesevica Hill was previously named the Bosnian Pyramid of the Moon by the APBPS Foundation. Experts from the Foundation have now revealed the discovery of a vertical wall that forms part of the Pyramid of The Moon. Lamia el-Hadidi (Conservation Specialist, Egypt) assumes that the wall forms part of a tomb belonging to the pyramid. She pointed out that the wall is clearly manmade, comprising blocks that have been cut by man, refined and used to build this vertical wall. Prof.Dr.Ric.Geol. Dario Andretta, chairman of the Humanitarian University for the Multidisciplinary International Culture (Rome), announced that this evidence puts beyond doubt the existence of a true pyramid at this site. Experts from APBPS expect to have further announcements about the nature of the wall that has been discovered in the next two to three days. Excavations will now continue to take place to the left, right and above the wall. The team has also discovered steps which they say probably lead into the tomb. Andretta has also announced that more experts from across Italy will be coming to join Bosnians on the site to be part of largest current international archeological project. It is said that the discovery of the entrance at the Bosnian Pyramid of the Moon proves beyond doubt that this is a true pyramid. http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/index.../News.html I never claimed that I could walk on water...
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...36,00.html The situation of professional heritage management in Bosnia-Herzegovina is, since the Bosnian war, in a poor state, with a tiny number of people trying to do what they can to protect their rich heritage from looting and unmonitored or unauthorised development. It adds insult to injury when rich outsiders can come in and spend large sums pursuing their absurd theories (the construction of a colossal pyramid so large that it dwarfs even those of Egypt or Mesoamerica? 12,000 years ago?), in ways that most other countries would never countenance, instead of devoting their cash to the preservation of the endangered genuine sites and monuments in which Bosnia-Herzegovina abounds. PROFESSOR ANTHONY HARDING President, European Association of Archaeologists ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
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It adds insult to injury when rich outsiders can come in and spend large sums pursuing their absurd theories (the construction of a colossal pyramid so large that it dwarfs even those of Egypt or Mesoamerica? 12,000 years ago?
Well.I personally like new data. I take dogma with a grain of salt. Take that grain'o salt... With a grain of GRAIN. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satell...2FShowFull ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
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;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; Jun. 18, 2006 0:24 | Updated Jun. 18, 2006 10:45 11,000-year-old grain shakes up beliefs on beginnings of agriculture By JUDY SIEGEL-ITZKOVICH Bar-Ilan University researchers have found a cache of 120,000 wild oat and 260,000 wild barley grains at the Gilgal archaeological site near Jericho that date back 11,000 years - providing evidence of cultivation during the Neolithic Period. The research, performed by Drs. Ehud Weiss and Anat Hartmann of BIU's department of Land of Israel studies and Prof. Mordechai Kislev of the faculty of life sciences, appears in the June 16 edition of the prestigious journal Science. It is the second time in two weeks that Kislev and Hartmann have had an article in Science. They recently wrote about their discovery of 10,000-year-old cultivated figs at the same Jordan Valley site. According to the researchers, the newest find shows that the transition from nomadic food gathering and the beginning of agriculture were quite different than previously thought. Until now, the general assumption has been that agriculture was begun by a single line of human efforts in one specific area. But the BIU researchers found a much more complicated effort undertaken by different human populations in different regions, drawing a completely new picture of the origins of agriculture. Agriculture, the BIU researchers suggest, originated through human manipulations of wild plants - sometimes involving the same species - that took place in various spatially and temporally distinct communities. Moreover, some of these occasions were found to be much earlier than previously thought possible. .............................................................. I'll still lend the man an ear...of corn/wheat/barley/oats,Heh. I never claimed that I could walk on water...
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But there's a hell of a difference between 10,000 year old evidence for agriculture, and an alleged 12,500 year old pyramid. Regards,Gordon http://freewebs.com/thehistoryvault/ www.photobucket.com/albums/y20/Historian
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True,Sir. I do find the possible Pyramid fascinating, >>>but<<< Hoary with age agriculture,on the other hand,I find astonishingly more relevant globaly/temporally a quantifiable possibility. I never claimed that I could walk on water...
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