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| Tuesday, July 25, 2006 | | UK POW Camps in WW2 by Gordon Wilkie
By Steve White @ 9:09 PM :: 16834 Views :: 38 Comments :: :: Military Archaeology | | | Article Pages: | Page 1
Prisoners would progress through a series of camps, where their political allegiances were determined. Non-Nazis were graded “White”, dubious cases were “Grey”, and hardened Nazis were “Black”. As a general rule, the “Blacker” the grading, the further North the camps where prisoners would be housed. Prisoners were also shipped to camps in Canada, and later the US, to safeguard security as much as lack of space. Racecourses, Football stadia and parks were favourite locations for camps, and it should be remembered that some of these would be tented accommodation, rather than huts(2). For this reason, very few have survived to the present, most being reduced to a single hut. A major exception to this is the camp at Old Malton in North Yorkshire. This not only survives almost totally intact, but has been transformed into a major visitor attraction. The camp at Orkney enjoys a similar status, as one of the Nissen huts which the Italian prisoners converted into a Chapel survives. The number of camps increased considerably as the war progressed, to a final total of around 400(3). Due to the pressure on the system, camp numbers were frequently re-used, and it was not unusual for the same camp to re-numbered more than once! By the end of the war, there were around 650,000 POWs in Britain(4). The prisoners were put on the same ration scales as British troops, which proved very controversial. They were also employed on agricultural work, and on bomb-site clearance. Despite the large numbers of prisoners, there were no successful escapes from Britain itself. There were several attempts, however. The biggest of these occurred in December 1944 at Camp 112, Doonfoot in Ayrshire, when 97 Italians escaped through a tunnel. All were quickly recaptured. In March 1945, 67 Germans escaped from Camp 11 at Island Farm, Bridgend, but again were quickly recaptured(5). The most spectacular plan had to be that hatched by German prisoners in December 1944 at Le Marchant and Lodge Moor Camps. Hard-core Nazis at both camps planned to break out, arm themselves and march on London in an attempt to support the Ardennes offensive. In the event, the Allies learned of the plan, and thwarted it by stationing paratroops armed with automatic weapons at highly-visible locations around the camps(6). After the wars’ end, those not classified as Nazis were eligible for repatriation, and all prisoners were repatriated by the end of 1947. By this time, only around 250 camps survived, and even these were soon closed. Notes 1After The Battle, No. 17, p48. London. Battle of Britain Prints International. 1977 2Ibid 3www.islandfarm.fsnet.co.uk/ 4After The Battle, No. 17, p49. 5Ibid 6After The Battle, No. 17, p50 |
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richard griffiths @
Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:18 PM  | |
Nice collection of information - I have a card from an italian POW with camp no 85 on it dated 1944 - any ideas ?
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Gordon Wilkie @
Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:55 PM  |
Richard, Thanks-glad you liked the article. From what I can find, your card is from #85 Victoria Camp, Brandon Hall, Mildenhall. It's demolished now, but its site can still be seen at TL73087665. It was classed as a standard type German working camp, having been previously used for Italians until the 1943 Armistice. Prisoner accommodation was of standard Ministry of War Production huts of pre-cast concrete panels, 18' 6" wide and 65' in length.
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Rob Whitfield @
Wednesday, December 27, 2006 4:43 PM  |
Gordon - You seem to know your way around the archive system, I wonder if you could possibly point me in the right direction. I am trying to trace an Italian POW from a camp in Widnes. Would there be any records of the movement of POW's? Regards Rob
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Gordon Wilkie @
Friday, December 29, 2006 9:30 PM  |
Rob, Sorry about the delay, I've been away. Probably the best place to start is at www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RDLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=7 . That isn't the end of the story, but it should give you plenty of leads. You can also try looking for records of the County War Agricultural Committees if you know roughly where your man was, or the records of the Ministry of Labour; although POWs weren't allowed to do "war work", that changed after the Armistice in 1943. Many also joined the British armed forces. The government tried to bring Italian workers here postwar to replace those former prisoners being repatriated, but many men decided to stay. I don't know much about those particular records though. As a last resort, you could always contact the Red Cross at www.icrc.org, and see what they can suggest. Cheers, Gordon
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sylvia kendrick @
Friday, September 14, 2007 5:05 PM  |
Rob or Gordon, Trying to find information about an Army/Marines camp in Faringdon, Berkshire circa 1944. The camp was called Buttsclose camp, but I have received a message that it was also a POW camp. I have looked at your list for Berkshire and Oxfordshire as Faringdon is now part of Oxon. but it is not mentioned. I am trying to establish which Regiment was based at the camp to track down a great uncle who was there in 1944. regards, SylviaK
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Gordon Wilkie @
Wednesday, December 19, 2007 1:19 AM  |
Sylvia, Apologies for not seeing this sooner. I'll see what I can turn up, but i might be worthwhile for you to look at the NA website (www.nas.gov.uk) and find a researcher to do a bit of delving for you. What you want to check are the weekly/monthly Returns on the Strength of the British Army 1939-47. The early war years are kinda messy, but by 1944 there were so many troops in Britain that these returns were published under each individual regiment and show their dispositions worldwide. You could also try reaching the Defence of Britain Project database through the main webpage.
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sarah kennell @
Sunday, March 23, 2008 7:58 PM  |
Hi, I'm trying to find out information on the Proteus Training Camp in Budby and it's uses during world war 2. My late Grandma always talked of my Grandad working there as a storeman in WW2, while it was used as a training camp, although i have heard from some people that it was a POW camp. Can anyone shed any light on this? Thanks
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Euplio Mastrangelo @
Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:00 AM  | |
Hello Gordon. This site was sent to me by a friend who has been helping me find info about my father's pow days. According to info from the red cross he was in camp 90 and camp 701 in the UK. I note that the camp numbers were sometimes changed. I did not see either of these camp numbers on the page I viewed. Can you comment. Thanks. Armando
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Gordon Wilkie @
Monday, April 14, 2008 4:13 PM  |
Sarah, I can't find much info on Budby at all. It may have been briefly used to hold prisoners 1945-47.
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Gordon Wilkie @
Monday, April 14, 2008 4:37 PM  |
Hi Euplio. Camp 90 at Friday Bridge is on both the list and the map, so you may just have overlooked it. It is now an agricultural hostel- www.calor.co.uk/about-calor/press-room/calor-caters-for-camp-international-flavour.htm As for Camp #701, it seems to have disappeared! I'm in the proces of updating the list as and when I get the time, so it will re-appear soon. Please keep checking, and let me know how your search goes.
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Euplio Mastrangelo @
Thursday, April 17, 2008 12:23 AM  | |
Thanks Gordon. I did overlook camp 90 on your list, but I had found it elsewhere and knew it was at Friday Bridge. I will keep checking your site.
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Thomas Pecorino @
Tuesday, April 29, 2008 3:23 AM  | |
Hello. I am looking for some help in tracking downinformation about a former German P.O.W, who after the war kept correspondance with my grandfather(a U.S. Army Guard) while he was still in the camp. I have his camp number (259 Weekley Kettering) and his name. and the date he was there. He was first in an American camp then shipped to England. I have no idea where to begin looking. Can someone point me in the right direction please...thanks so much for any help.
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Gordon Wilkie @
Tuesday, April 29, 2008 3:29 PM  |
Hi Thomas, That's quite a task. As you probably know all PoWs were repatriated by 1948, but not all chose to go home. You could try writing to the local newspapers in Northants asking for information- www2.northantsnews.com/splashpage/ If that doesn't work, this leaflet from the National Archives in London might give you a few pointers- www.nationlarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=7 There are two WW2 forums you could try posting in too; someone might just know something- www.ww2f.com www.ww2talk.com Let me know how you get on.
Regards, Gordon
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Gordon Wilkie @
Tuesday, April 29, 2008 3:31 PM  |
Sorry, typo- www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=7
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LOUISE MILLER @
Friday, May 09, 2008 6:58 PM  |
Hello Gordon: I wonder if you might be able to help with a "missing persons" query. A woman in Poland is trying to find out what happened to her father. The family lost contact with him in 1947. His last known address was "Kiltarlity, Teznaeab Camp, by Beauly, Inverness". Do you have a record of any such camp, and any suggestions about how best to help her?
Thanks,
Louise
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Gordon Wilkie @
Saturday, May 10, 2008 2:11 AM  |
Hi Louise, It's not a subject I know much about myself, unfortunately, but leave it with me and I'll see what I can find. The National Archives has a guide to the PRC- www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/familyhistory/guide/migrantancestors/polish.htm There is also a website run by people whose parents were Polish DPs (Dislaced Persons)- www.northwickparkpolishpdcamp.co.uk. They might be able to help further. As I say, leave it with me and I'll post any info I can find here.
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ada pluda @
Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:00 AM  |
Hi Gordon, I hope you, or any body else, can help me to find a description or photos of camp 48 Greenfield farm, Presteigne, where my late father was held from beginning of 1943 to May 1946. I remember my father telling us that they were taken to a forest(?) to cut trees. Was that a real farm? Or just a name for such place? I would be very grateful for any info.
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Gordon Wilkie @
Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:55 AM  |
Hi Ada, According to the Welsh National Monuments Record camp #48 was built in 1943 on land belonging to Capt Lewis RN of Clatterbrune House, Presteigne. It may have been a farm originally, but the camp has been demolished and the site is now a football ground, the home of Presteigne St. Andrews FC. (Llanandas Park, Llanandas being the Welsh name for Presteigne). The town is surrounded by woods and forests, so your father could have literally worked anywhere in the area. You could try contacting Presteigne Tourist information office at info@judgeslodging.org.uk, they may be able to help with photos and more information. Hope this helps.
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ada pluda @
Friday, June 13, 2008 7:14 PM  |
Hi Gordon, Thank you very much. It did help! I will get in touch with the tourist office and see if they know more. My father was held before in camp #8 (from January to April 1943) but there are two camps with that number. Do you have any idea? Just a transit camp?
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Gordon Wilkie @
Friday, June 13, 2008 11:29 PM  |
Hi Ada, Camp #8 at Mile House, Oswestry was a base camp, or glorified transit camp, meaning they supplied working camps and hostels. The other camp #8 at Shifnal was a working camp. This is closer to Presteigne, but I would put my money on your father being in Oswestry first. You mght get more info from the Oswestry Tourist Ofice at Mile End, Oswestry, Shropshire SY11 4J. Please let me know how your research goes.
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Gordon Wilkie @
Friday, June 13, 2008 11:30 PM  | |
Sorry, the full postcode is SY11 4JA.
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ada pluda @
Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:03 PM  |
Hi Gordon, thanks a lot for your help. It's just like a jigsaw where you have to find missing pieces....I'll let you know how it goes on. Don't know if this is the right section but on what concerns Italian pows I would suggest to all those trying to find the camp(s) where their relatives were kept to have a look at http://www.icrc.org/eng/contact-archives This was how I found all my father's records
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Virginia Kuzmicki @
Wednesday, July 16, 2008 3:14 PM  |
To Louise Miller re Polish Camp in Kiltarlity. I am originally from Kiltarlity and my father Adam Kuzmicki was a Polish DP. Please let me know how I can help as I may be able to investigate locally. Virginia Kuzmicki virginia.kuzmicki@dial.pipex.com
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Virginia Kuzmicki @
Wednesday, July 16, 2008 3:17 PM  |
Gordon, you may not have noticed you have a type in your url for the dp camp.
www.northwickparkpolishdpcamp.co.uk
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Gordon Wilkie @
Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:14 PM  |
Thanks Virginia, I completely missed that typo! Thanks for offering extra sources as well.
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freskin dundemore @
Saturday, September 20, 2008 3:44 PM  | |
quite new to this site.Trying to find whether in fact the army camp that 16th Durham Light inf. set up in 1940 in the grounds of Morton Hall , Midlothian was ever used as a POW camp. Many of the concrete hut-bases are still there, although many have been built over. the Klondyke garden centre is built over part of the field, and the access road to Mortonhall Camping and caravan site cuts through part of it. It's only about 5 miles from \edinburgh City centre. Any ideas, anyone,please?
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Gordon Wilkie @
Monday, September 22, 2008 2:40 AM  |
Freskin, It was indeed a PoW camp, probably after D-Day. Immediately after the war it was also used as a Displaced persons camp.
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Gordon Wilkie @
Thursday, October 02, 2008 7:03 PM  |
To Louise Miller- I have now had information telling me that Kiltarlity camp was originally used by the Canadian Forestry Corps, then passed to the Polish Resettlement Corps postwar. It was known as "Paterson's Camp" as it became a sawmill run a Polish gentleman who took his wife's surname. The ruins of the camp still exist.
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George Verhaere @
Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:57 PM  | |
I am seeking information regarding my uncle Johannes Willemen, a Dutch Merchant Navy Officer, who acted as an intepreter for the British Prisoner of War Camps at either Thames Ditton or Weston Acres Camp Bandstead, 1943. Mainly used in New Malden Surrey.
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Sasha Jones @
Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:34 PM  |
Re: ada pluda
Did you have any luck finding info on Greenfield Farm?
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Daniel Johnson @
Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:37 PM  |
Hi there, I'm wondering if anyone can help me?
I am trying to find any information about a POW camp that was in Creech Wood, Denmead, Hampshire after D-Day. This is near where I live and the remains are still there, yet this camp isn't mentioned on any records that I have found. The only mention of the camp is this from Wikipedia:
"In the run up to D-Day many American and Canadian troops, including U.S. General Dwight D. Eisenhower, camped under the cover of local forests. Nearby Creech Wood also housed a prisoner of war camp, some remains of which can still be found in the undergrowth"
Can anyone help?
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Simon H @
Thursday, October 23, 2008 4:31 PM  | |
There were many small camps that aren't listed. I know of two within 5 miles of my front door, one was former site of searchlight battery - then housed Italian PW, the other was a former barracks site taken over to house German PW.
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Gordon Wilkie @
Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:05 PM  |
Simon, It's a problem I keep coming across myself. If you have a list of camps, send them to me at the_historian@talk21.com, and I'll update the list when I get the chance.
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George Verhaere @
Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:15 PM  | |
Gordon, did you get my question regarding Johan Willemen who was an Interpreter in a POW Camp?? I have not seen any reply on your site............George Verhaere
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Gordon Wilkie @
Sunday, October 26, 2008 3:45 PM  |
George, I've been delving as much as I can, but I can't seem to turn up anything on this particular man. You might be better reading the guide to PoW records on this site and trying to obtain the camp diaries of the places he was employed. You might have more luck there.
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John Billingham @
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:38 PM  |
Hi just a quick note for your records. Under Herefordshire POW camps you have Royston Heath Listed this is in fact in Hertfordshire not Herefordshire. Also the location of the Ledbury POW camp in under the John Masefield School.
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Gordon Wilkie @
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:40 PM  | |
Thanks for that, John! I'll try and sort the records out when I get the chance.
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